Podcast EP 82: Recovery, Reinvention & Why It's Never Too Late with Jen Pastiloff

Episode 82:
Recovery, Reinvention & Why It’s Never Too Late with Jen Pastiloff

Podcast EP 82: Recovery, Reinvention & Why It's Never Too Late with Jen Pastiloff

SHE RECOVERS Foundation co-founder Dawn Nickel sits down with author, speaker, and visual artist Jen Pastiloff to talk about living openly, deafness, leaving a marriage, finding a partner, parenting through recovery, and why “the school of whatever works” matters more than any single path to healing.

In this episode, Jen shares her own honest, unfiltered story of getting sober eighteen months ago after decades of denial and resistance to change. And dives into her latest book Proof of Life: Let Go, Let Love, and Stop Looking for Permission to Live Your Life.

This conversation is funny, raw, and full of permission giving!

IN THIS EPISODE

  • How Dawn and Jen first connected ahead of the (twice-postponed) SHE RECOVERS in MIAMI conference
  • Living openly as a deaf woman, and why Jen now leads with what used to cause her shame
  • Jen’s path from NYU and a 14-year-summer-job waitressing, through yoga teacher training, to writing and painting
  • The Jenisms: You get to have this, I’ve done love, imaginary time gods, heart sight, and may I remember
  • The unfiltered truth about getting sober: the night she sat in a hotel bar before giving a recovery keynote
  • Why twelve-step meetings work for millions, and why they were never the right fit for Jen
  • “The school of whatever works” — non-alcoholic wine, individualized pathways, and zero judgment
  • Dissociation, eating disorder patterns, and how addiction can shift forms over a lifetime
  • Parenting her son Charlie through her sobriety, and what’s changed in her marriage and relationships
  • Jen’s retreats in Ojai, California and Tuscany, Italy, her Substack and book club, and how she connected SHE RECOVERS to its own future Italy retreat venue

ABOUT JEN

Jennifer Pastiloff is the author of the bestselling books Proof of Life and On Being Human. Jennifer travels the globe as a public speaker, one-of-a-kind workshop facilitator, and retreat host.

Author of the popular Substack, also called Proof of Life, she teaches writing and creativity classes and workshops when she isn’t painting and selling her art.

Pastiloff has been featured on Good Morning America and Katie Couric, and in New York, People, Shape, and Health magazines. She is known for her authenticity and unique voice. Jennifer is deaf, reads lips, and mishears almost everything, but what she hears is usually funnier (at least she thinks so).

ABOUT DAWN

Dr. Dawn Nickel is a respected leader in the women’s recovery movement and the co-founder of SHE RECOVERS Foundation, a nonprofit that inspires hope and ends stigma for women in or seeking recovery from substance use, mental health challenges, and other life issues.

With a PhD in health policy, Dawn has spent over three decades working in mental health, addiction, and trauma-informed care. In recovery since 1987 from substance use disorder, domestic violence, and later workaholism, anxiety, and cancer, she brings both lived and professional experience to her work.

Dawn is also a certified professional recovery coach and a passionate advocate for individualized, holistic recovery paths—offering insight, humor, compassion, and practical tools for healing and growth.

EPISODE RESOURCES

What if the “school of whatever works” wasn’t just a philosophy—but a framework?

Our Redefining Women’s Recovery Online Course explores the principles behind the SHE RECOVERS approach to inclusive, individualized, strengths-based recovery. It’s what works for us.

Whether you’re a clinician, coach, or simply curious, you’ll leave with practical insights you can apply immediately.

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